Edit: Reading conversations like this: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?… are seriously starting to sour me on editing TV Tropes.
Seriously, the standard method of replying to people on forums everywhere is "troll-at-work", "annoying", and the site admin has said he'll ignore any post using it? I can't wrap my head around how ignorant that is. Hi, admin dude, maybe you might want to stick your head out of the bubble and experience the rest of the Internet?
Amazingly enough, it's not going to kill you to read more than a few sentences. Or, if I'm wrong and you're wimpy enough that it would kill you, we're probably best off doing the gene pool a favor by letting it happen.
Also, if you're too lazy/immature to read said more than a few sentences, then you're also likely too lazy/immature to come up with a contribution to the conversation that it's worth wasting my time to read. Go back to play in the sandbox and leave the conversation to the adults with attention spans longer than a kindergardener's.
- "Insert nitpicking some incidental comment I made or nitpicking my analogy, often completely dumbass nitpicking, while mostly or completely missing my actual point."
Hey, wow, thanks for making me waste my time on this irrelevant idiocy because you're too much of a moron to get and comment on my actual friggin' point.
- "You just won't admit you're wrong!"
If you actually showed I was wrong, I would admit it.
- "Well, you're wrong, but I'm not going to tell you how because you're not worth my time/it should be obvious/I like watching you squirm/etc."
Read: "I don't have a good explanation of why you're wrong, so I'm going to make a desperate attempt to save face."
But do feel free to come back when you're willing to prove you're not full of bullshit.
- "You're so childish/immature/need to grow up/etc.!"
I know, man, it's so childish to back up your points, write something longer than five sentences, and expect someone to have an intelligent response to a post. Clearly I should take the mature route you're demonstrating of refusing to actually back up my points, being insulting, and making idiot responses.
- "You didn't even read/pay attention to what I'm saying!"
Oh, I did read and quite thoroughly addressed every point you made. I just think it's completely wrong.
If I honestly misunderstood what you said, explain how I misunderstood and I'll reexamine. Otherwise, suck it up.
- "Do you ever stop acting like a bitch?"
That depends, do you ever stop acting like an ass and/or moron?
- "But this conversation isn't important enough for me to try to use proper English!"
If you can't be bothered to make an effort to try to use comprehensible English, I can't be bothered to make the effort to figure out what the hell your lazy gibberish was supposed to mean. Next!
- Anything fanwank that's meant seriously.
Look. If you're trying to make an argument that sounds like it belongs on TV Tropes' Wild Mass Guessing pages, and you're not being 100% tongue-in-cheek about it, please step away from the keyboard and go get a life while you still can.
- "Well, we/I/this thing we're talking about doesn't have to do it the same way as everyone else does, 'cause we're/I'm/it's a special snowflake!"
Yep, you sure are a special snowflake. Just the same as, you know, everyone else is.
- Anytime someone ignores my counterpoint to repeat the point I just addressed.
Since my counterpoint is still applicable no matter how many times you repeatedly post the point I already addressed, I'm just obviously going to repeat my counterpoint until you actually, you know, address the counterpoint. So wake me when you finally cotton on to how a debate works.
- "Bawwww, you're so mean/arrogant for picking apart my opinion. I have a right to my opinion!"
Yep, that's true, you do have a right to an opinion. And if said opinion is based on incorrect facts and/or faulty logic, I have a right to tell you I think it's a dumbass opinion and why. Suck it up.
If you don't like people telling you your opinion is wrong, then either don't hold that opinion or don't subject us to listening to it.
- "You're pushing your opinion on me!"
Well, no, I'm explaining/defending my opinion. That's what you're supposed to do in a debate, dumbass. If you see a flaw in my reasoning, go ahead and address it. But if you just don't like my opinion, tough titties.
- "Wow, I can't believe you people are still talking about/putting so much thought into this topic."
Yep, some of us actually want to discuss the topic at hand. If you don't want to, why are you posting in it? We don't care that you don't care about it. There's the door.
- "Baw. I can't believe you were insulted about something someone said on the internet."
News flash: If something would be rude if you said it to my face, it doesn't suddenly become less rude because you said it to me while you're too far away for me to punch you/slap you/throw my drink in your face. It just makes you both a jerkass and a coward.
- "Man, when I said <insert mean thing here> I was joking. Lighten up/get a sense of humor."
I have a sense of humor. It involves laughing at things that are funny. I'm still waiting for you to say something that's actually funny!
- Anything involving armchair psychology of my opinions.
Yes. Because someone who isn't me and isn't one of my close friends knows better than I do about my life situation and/or why I have an opinion.
News flash: I don't give a rat's ass about why some stranger thinks I have an opinion, especially since your reasoning is almost certain to be wrong. Either address my actual opinion, or don't waste my time.
Also, I hate the main TF fandom. Seriously, you can't even swing a cat on the main TF sites without hitting someone acting like an arrogant and/or condescending dipshit. How do some of these people function in society?
(Although these arguments I'm tired of come from more than just the TF forums.)
Oh, man, read this forum thread here: comments.deviantart.com/18/149… It's like half of the immature idiotic things I complained about here condensed into a single conversation.
What's hilarious is that one of these folks was someone bitching about how she had a troll problem. It's like, well, hate to say it, but if you spout that sort of childish idiocy all the time, I can see why the trolls pick on you. Might as well paint a giant target on your back.
I shudder to think how these kiddies are gonna react when they get out into the Real World, if they think I'm bad.
Maybe I should just use this as a "hilariously funny stupidity" dumping ground whenever I come across something particularly note-worthy. Sadly, the person in question this time around cowardly closed their comments due to not being able to handle having someone point out flaws in their arguments, so I'll have to summarize this one.
So I spotted this stamp: as a rebuttal against global warming.
To which I pointed out that the problem is that the winters are becoming less cold and the summers more hot. (I mean, come on, it's been regularly reaching 90+ degrees in the summer the past few years here in MA. How is that normal?)
To which they responded that it was "normal fluctuations" and other changes. To which I pointed out that trained scientists are no doubt aware of things like the seasons, climate cycles, and such, and in one of the articles she linked, the article itself even said that the natural change observed doesn't discount global warming. She never did actually respond to that one despite my repeatedly pressing her.
And then she brought up Climategate. Which I pointed out had been debunked. So she brought up all these little conspiracy theorist sites on the matter. I asked if she had some reputable sites to link to, while linking to an NYT and Salon site, among others.
She then said that NYT and the other main sites were all biased and paranoid, and that her underground sites were the only places that had "the truth". Which might still have been defensible, if she hadn't listed Fox News, Drudge Report, and WorldNetDaily as supposedly being reputable (and presumably non-biased) sources of The Truth. (The only place she listed that I would consider remotely reliable is the BBC.)
And then she closed the comments on the deviation. (Ever notice how 95% of the time, if a deviation has comments closed, it's something that's presenting a flawed, incorrect, or provocative argument?) Which I suppose is just as well, as I lost all interest in continuing the debate once I realized I was dealing with the type of person who thinks Fox News is a reputable source for... anything news-related.
And another one.
Started out well, but eventually disappointingly but typically disintegrated into a combo of "TL;DR" and "You're pushing your opinion on me", as well as the new "You think you're always right even though I didn't actually explain how you were wrong even though you invited me to", and "You're so childish even though you made a well-thought-out post and I didn't make an effort to respond to it".
Sorry for all the updates lately, but I came across this conversation lately, and it literally floored me: comments.deviantart.com/18/154…
It's basically two people arguing that... well, look I gotta quote one of their posts, because this has to be seen to be believed:
"They don't need a house, then. If you don't have the money to rent or buy property then you shouldn't be living in property of your own. How disgusting and stupid it is to think that just because people are poor that they should be given very great things like their own apartment when there are millions and millions of people living under tarps or goatskin tents doing just fine.And judging by their continued response, that was either a serious post, or they're trolling me with an utterly straight face, I'm not sure which. Either way, I'm just reading this whole thing like "Buh... duh... what?"
Poor people do not need to be entitled to anything. That is part of being poor."
This new one isn't so much an argument as it is a trend that's irritating and confusing the hell out of me.
Namely, I post an opinion. Someone posts a rebuttal to my opinion. I disagree with the rebuttal, so I make a post explaining my opinion and why I think the rebuttal is wrong or misses the point or whatever.
And then the person jumps down my throat saying man what am I doing, they didn't want a debate, or TL;DR, or bitching I'm shoving their opinion down their throat, or otherwise acting like I'm bizarre for responding to their disagreement/rebuttal to me.
And it's like, WTF? If you didn't want me to get into a "debate" with you, or back up my opinion against your response, why did you even respond to me to begin with? Just for shits and giggles?
And this has happened to me a LOT on DA over the past two years. And what's weird is that it seems to be a DA-only thing. I've really never encountered it anywhere else; even the TF fandom has generally avoided this one.